Interview with Joe Rosenmayer

After an afternoon of rehearsal for Jeff Becker’s show, Something Special, which Joe was accompanist for, he and I sat on my front porch and chatted about his experience in the chorus.

JK - How did you find the chorus?

JR - “I came to the chorus in Fall 2012. I moved to the Bay Area from Chicago in 2011 so I was here for a year before I joined the chorus. I was in Windy City Gay Men’s Chorus in Chicago and I knew wanted to join a gay chorus here. I knew there were many gay men’s choruses in the Bay Area and I knew about SFGMC but we were living in El Cerrito and OGMC was closest.

Mike, my husband, had moved here before I did and I think he found the chorus first and was an usher at a concert. 

I did a google search and found OGMC. I volunteered as an usher for the spring concert before I joined which was right after GALA.

Stephanie Smith was director….she was wrapping up in the chorus as interim director…so I sang with her for one concert and then Jeremiah Smith came on board. 

My audition with Stephanie was the weirdest audition (what a surprise, right?). She made me dance. In the form I filled out before the audition I gave myself high marks for sight reading. She gave me a really hard piece to sight read and I did a really terrible job (laughing). It was a weird chanty piece with no time signature which it turned out, we did for the concert that season. I felt really stupid after sight reading. Then she made me dance.

All the chairs were put away….She said to just use the space. I was a dancer so it wasn’t that intimidating. Then she changed tempo from fast to ballet. It was fun and really strange…and I got into the chorus. That was my intro to Stephanie Smith and OGMC”. 

JK - Did a bunch of you come in at the same time? 

JR - “I was the last of the group of my close friends. Walter and Dustin had been in for a while. Then came Dave and Brian. When I ushered, Wally came to me and said ‘be sure you sign up to audition’. I became fast friends with those guys and we’re still close friends….8 years later”.

JK - What was the chorus like then vs. what it’s like now….8 years later?

JR - “It’s hard to say...it was in a transition. I came in at a tumultuous time…a lot of drama. Someone walked out during my first rehearsal. I don’t remember why but I remember thinking “OK…What’s going on?” 
It was a rocky but it came in waves. Now we feel stable (well, pre-pandemic).

When Billy came on board is when we started to get more serious…we didn’t have to keep resetting. Billy was with us for a while and we grew as a chorus. With Ben coming on last year we were in a really good place and it was a smooth transition. No drama. The board has been solid for a while and I think that has really helped create a sense of stability within the chorus."

JK - Tell me about your role in leadership in the chorus.

JR - “I wasn’t in a leadership role for a few years. I came, sang, left. Denis Whitaker was the T1 Section Leader when I joined but then he went to T2 and I immediately became the T1 section leader….my 2nd concert. 
Eventually I joined the artistic committee. I seem to have followed Denis’s footsteps….Every time he moved forward I took his place. Then I joined the board and became VP (still following Denis…but I won’t become marketing chair). I’m in my first term on the board now”.

JK - Where do you see the chorus going and where would you like to see the chorus go?

JR - “Hard to say right now cause everything is so weird. We’re hoping for a holiday show next year.
It’s really kind of. I miss the chorus. The virtual choir was really fun but I really miss singing in person with the group. I’d love to see us grow as much as we can. I’m afraid some people will get used to not singing and leave. I’d love to do a show at the Fox theater...that scale. Ben said “Think big…dream...think big. What do you want?”. It would be amazing to get that big.

We need to focus on our diversity a bit more. We’ve been trying but it’s a struggle. BLM coalition is a big thing. I hope it gives us places to recruit. Our mix is not that diverse. I’d love to have more people of color. I want to grow in numbers but also in diversity."

JK - I’d love to hear about your music background?

JR - “I started taking piano when I was 6. When I was in 3rd grade my older sister was cast as Peter Pan in her high school musical. That was my first exposure to theater. I remember going over her lines with her so when I went to the show I knew the whole script and all the music. It was so exciting to me. I loved it. 

I was in church choir and that was great but THEATER is where I fell in love...where it all started. 
When I was in 5th grade the local high school did Sound Of Music. They offered roles of the Von Trapp children to the middle and grade school kids. I was Frederick Von Trapp. The high school kept allowing the middle school to audition so I was in all the high school plays all thru school. And then in HS I stayed in theater as well as chorus and continued all thru college.

When I was a sophomore in HS I started playing piano in church and I never stopped. It’s an easy way to make good money. I had a church gig for 15 years and I was church music director for 4 years before I moved to California.

I also did music direction for local community theater groups in Chicago for vocalists as well as the bands.
Depending on the show I either played piano, music directed or was in the show as an actor/singer.
I was in a Cabaret Ensemble in Chicago called The Chicago Red Line. I currently sing in the Episcopal Church choir and sometimes music direct. I’ve done a lot of music and theater my whole life”.

JK - Back to The chorus. How does the chorus feel to you now, especially during the pandemic?

JR - “As I said earlier, I lived in California about a year before I joined the chorus. When I joined is when I really started feeling at home here. It’s what changed me. I was very homesick for Chicago a lot that first year. The chorus really made California be my home."

JK - Everyone I’ve interviewed has said the same - that the chorus feels like family…I agree too.  

JR - “Yes, We fight, we cry, we laugh, we celebrate together. Like when Peter Dempsey passed away. It was so sudden. We were already getting together that night for our weekly Zoom call. We decided to make that meeting about Peter so people could process and talk and come together. It was really beautiful and really felt like family. We sang What a Wonderful World. I cried (we all did). Everyone had an opportunity to talk. It really brought home for me how much we are a family. Zoom is weird but it’s what we’ve got right now and at least we can see each other and still be together.

When I joined I was on the younger spectrum at age 31. There were several over 50’s but hardly any younger people. But that’s changed. Now we are much more diverse as far as age goes from 20’s to 80’s. The difference in generations doesn’t matter. It’s never been an issue. 

Everyone is welcome. I was unsure how it would go to allow women into the chorus but it’s been great. 
I didn’t know if some people wouldn’t respond well to change but everyone has embraced the diversity."

JK - For me, as one of 3 women and even as one of two straight women, age/gender doesn’t feel like an issue at all.

JK - Is the chorus your main connection in your life to gay community? 

JR - “Definitely. My church is extremely open…there are a lot of gay people but chorus is where I’ve found my place. I feel very much a part of it. I can’t wait for us to be able to be together in person and sing again."
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Support the Oakland Gay Men's Chorus this Pride Month!
By Aaron Hughes June 1, 2024
By Seth Frost (He/Him), Board Secretary, Baritone. As we welcome Pride Month, it's a time to reflect, celebrate, and honor the journey of the Oakland Gay Men's Chorus (OGMC). Our chorus was established in 1999, and since joining in 2018, I have been proud to be part of this vibrant community. From my very first interaction, I felt a warm embrace, an invitation to be part of something bigger than myself. For many, like myself, OGMC has been a core connection to the queer community, especially for those who came out later in life. Performing shows is more than a passion; it's our way of enriching the broader community in Oakland and the SF Bay Area, showcasing the joy found in queer life. At the heart of OGMC is our mission statement: "The Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus gives voice through song to a community where everyone matters." This guiding principle shapes everything we do. Being in a chorus means standing bravely in public, singing, supporting each other, and creating something more beautiful than any of us could achieve alone. This Pride Month, we're particularly excited about our 25th Anniversary Season, featuring "You Can’t Stop The Beat." This show is a showcase of our talents, with small ensemble and solo pieces prepared by our members. It's also a preview of the music we'll be taking to the national GALA festival in Minneapolis later this summer. Songs like "True Colors" are on the lineup, and I can't wait to see my friends shine. Celebrating Pride in Oakland and at the GALA Festival is especially significant this year. Our recent commission from Marques L. A. Garrett, requested by popular demand, highlights the collaborative spirit of our members. This show, filled with solos and special performances, is a true celebration of our talented membership. What does Pride mean to you? Seth Frost (He/Him), Board Secretary, Baritone. Pride is a call to step forward and assert that we matter, that our voices deserve to be heard. Pride events counteract hate and help heal the shame within ourselves. Singing loudly and proudly, we offer comfort and a beacon to those who can't yet express themselves authentically. Our year-round performances often end with the chorus spreading out around the audience, fostering a sense of community, welcome, and safety for all. June Kamerling (She/Her), Tenor 1 Pride is a celebration of the LGBTQ community and all it stands for. By participating in events like Oakland Pride and Alameda Pride, we give back to the community and practice visibility and inclusion. The impact of our events is profound, creating a supportive community where everyone feels they belong. Shawn Simon (He/Him), Board Vice President, Base Pride means being able to love ourselves unconditionally and seeing others empowered to live authentically. It's important to celebrate Pride to remind ourselves of our worth, connect with our community, and honor our history. Organizing events like our concerts has been profoundly impactful, creating an inclusive community and supporting local organizations.
March 24, 2024
By Melvin Terry  March 31st was declared Cesar Chavez Day in 2014 by President Barack Obama. Cesar Chavez (March 31, 1927 – April 23, 1993) founded along with Delores Huerta the National Farm Workers Association (NFWA), which later merged with the Agricultural Workers Organizing Committee (AWOC) to become the United Farm Workers (UFW) labor union . International Women’s Day was first celebrated in the early 20th century and became a mainstream global holiday in 1977. It helps to focus attention on women and concerns such as gender equality, equal wages, and violence and abuse against women. Another important issue is the lack of attention paid to the substantial contributions of women.
February 20, 2024
By Melvin Terry Oakland is a diverse vibrant community with a goldilocks climate and an assortment of parks and trails with opportunities for exercise, socializing, and stunning visuals. It also has the benefits and drawbacks that come with a large city. But did you know about the history of Black migration to Oakland in the 1940’s and the rich culture that flourished in West Oakland back then? 7th Street, now the home of West Oakland BART and the sprawling main post office, was the hub of the community. There were many Black owned businesses and music venues. It was bustling and the place to be.
December 25, 2023
By Melvin Terry It doesn’t seem so long ago when I first heard of GALA (GayLa), a sort of choral Olympics where queer folks from around the world get together every four years to celebrate our existence and joyously sing for each other. Well, it was 16 years ago, when I first joined the then Oakland East-Bay Gay Men’s Chorus in 2007.
October 21, 2023
By June Kamerling Welcome to Aaron Hughes, recent-ish chorus member and our new Marketing Committee Chair. Aaron took over being chair of the chorus PR Marketing Committee when our former fearless Leader Denis Whitaker moved to Ohio last summer. Aaron comes to the marketing committee with loads of background in group management and organization. As I ask everyone I interview this first question, I asked Aaron as well….”How did you find OGMC”? AH: “It was just post pandemic, I was searching for the next thing I wanted to do. I did a google search and found that OGMC was having auditions. I reached out through a meet up group and got no response. I persevered and I later found out about the summer Sondheim Concert (this was summer 2022) Auditions and an open rehearsal were coming up. I went to the rehearsal to check it out and see what it’s like. I loved the feeling of this East Bay LGBTQ chorus community. I auditioned….and I was in. I even got a solo, the first concert as King George in the Hamilton song, “You’ll Be Back”. I asked, “What is your musical background?” AH: “In my earlier days I sang in a lot of chorus’s as a boy. I also played a bunch of instruments, but my true love was musical theater. My under grad is musical theater. I performed a lot in Australia, where I’m from. In my 20’s, I was passionate about Sondheim. I loved the PBS specials on the various Sondheim shows….(I’d watch in between other musical theater breaks). I got to see Company on Broadway the year Patty Lupone was in it”. J: “Would you talk about your sense of the chorus and how you got involved with PR Marketing?” AH: “Going into the chorus was my first opportunity to do something that was purely me. I was hugely nervous. I hadn’t done anything like this in 8 or 9 years. I felt like a deer in headlights. However, everyone was so friendly and welcoming, the chorus is where I found my “family”. I didn’t expect such an embrace of new people and non cliquey feeling as I’ve found in other chorus’s. It blew my expectation… having women and trans people in the chorus, being pronoun specific and respectful. There was so much care and attention to Covid policies. This was a different experience than other LGBTQ organizations I’ve been involved with. People were genuine, the music was wonderful and the organization seemed solid and like something I would like to be involved with. I think we don’t toot our own horn enough about how unique we are as an LGBTQ chorus”. J: “ What got you into being head of marketing- what’s your general sense of the structure of the chorus, aside from singing?” AH: “As I got more into the ‘behind the scenes’ of musical theater, I became a bit disillusioned and burned out so I stepped away for a while. I got a Master’s degree in Switzerland and travelled the world. Career-wise, I’m a chameleon. I was involved in mortgage, then hospitality for many years… now I have my own marketing firm. Within a year I’ve seen a massive arc in this chorus which lead me to wanting to be PR marketing chair. I entered the chorus at a seminal point of shift. The chorus came back after pandemic. Elements were shifting with-in leadership. There is an extraordinary amount of work that happens behind the scenes to have us where we are today. It’s pretty epic…..We’re having sold out shows back to back!! This is because of all the people in leadership, the strong foundation that has evolved. When it comes to Marketing and PR, I tend to get passionate for the WHY… Why do you want to do this as an organization? What’s the story? I started seeing challenges… an organization coming into transition. Some of the software systems we’ve utilized need to change and grow so that we can more clearly tell our story. So that we can be more visible in the community. Technology has changed so much over the years. We have to keep up with it and add it to PR marketing in order to be able to put ourselves out there to our members, our audience, our donors. Are we engaging with them? There are so many platforms available; Tic Toc, Instagram, Eventbrite, etc. Our audience base is diverse. Our communication ways need to be as diverse. I believe I bring this knowledge to this organization and to PR Marketing at this time… An understanding of these generational elements; Creating a space where this community gets to learn together. It’s a safe space where we get to tell our story. We get to add different elements of our visibility together.” J:“This is a big turning point- how do you envision the chorus going into the future”? AH:“I don’t think we celebrate how unique and spectacular we are. I see us being able to celebrate our story…..our history. Going into our 25 th year as a chorus is extraordinary. I joined this organization because of how people made me feel. I know I’m not alone in this. I can only see an organization like this growing and getting bigger, I don’t think it matters how big in numbers we get. We will not lose the authenticity that we have. I will continue to look at where I can be of value”. J: “Thank you Aaron for taking on this really important job as chair of PR Marketing. As a member of the PR Marketing committee I can already see a big difference in Our organization and push to become more visible out in the world as an LGBTQ chorus.”
April 1, 2023
By Melvin Terry We are thrilled to be joined by New Voices Bay Area TIGQ Chorus a mixed-voice choral ensemble for singers who self-identify as transgender, intersex, or gender-queer (TIGQ). Their goal is to build a creative, empowered, joyful space for our TIGQ community, to encourage voices that have been silenced or shamed, to grow and be heard, and to change how the world thinks about gender identity and music. In these troubled times when there are multiple attempts to roll back rights for Queer, Black and Brown people such as far-right commentator Michael Knowles announcing from the Conservative Political Action Conference stage a few weekends ago that “transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,” and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas hinting that after Roe Vs Wade was struck down other previous decisions should be revisited. Many of us are afraid that this conservative activist court might strike down same-sex marriage. There are many bills either passed or pending throughout the country restricting the ability to vote. Most affected by these new laws are Black and Brown people and people with limited means. Fortunately, some of us are showing our true colors and pushing back: A Nebraska Democrat, State Sen. Machaela Cavanaugh began her filibuster during a Senate meeting a few weeks ago vowing to filibuster every bill her state Senate colleagues introduce if they support a measure that would restrict certain transition-related health care for minors. “If this Legislature collectively decides that legislating hate against children is our priority, then I am going to make it painful, painful for everyone,” - Cavanaugh said during the meeting. The mission of the Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus is to give voice through song to a community where everyone matters. Through our repertoire, we aim to offer hope and encouragement to those in our community struggling with bullying, depression, and mental health and those who love them. These issues are highlighted in “You Are Enough” from Aron Accurso’s “A Mental Health Suite”. We believe you will be inspired and uplifted by Jonathan Larsen’s “Seasons of Love (from Rent),” Sara Bareilles’ pop hit “Brave,” and our title song “True Colors,” originally sung by Cyndi Lauper. “My Heart Be Brave” is a stirring and reflective piece composed by African American composer, Marques L. A. Garrett and based on a Sonnet by James Weldon Johnson, also African American, who along with his brother John wrote the words and music to “Lift Every Voice and Sing”, the Black National Anthem.
April 1, 2023
By June Kamerling With our upcoming spring concert, “True Colors,” a few weeks away I interviewed Seth Frost and Kelvin Ellis, two baritones in Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus. They both also sing with New Voices Bay Area Trans, Intersex and Genderqueer Chorus, who will be joining OGMC for a few songs. I asked Seth first, “How did you find OGMC, and what was the chorus like when you first joined?” “My former voice teacher Eli Conley ( www.eliconley.com ) told me about OGMC. He knew Billy Sauerland, our previous director before Ben, because Billy did his dissertation on voice education for trans people and Eli is passionate about teaching trans singers. That was in summer 2018, so I’ve been in OGMC for roughly 10 seasons. I was nervous at first because I hadn’t been a part of a queer chorus before, but everyone was really friendly and welcoming. My first concert was the summer show, kind of Disney-esque. Some of the members were auditioning for small ensembles, and doing all this cool singing/dancing and there were costumes. It was pretty amazing and really fun. Most memorable was Billy announcing that there would be a giant evil Donald Trump head during the theme song from ‘Little Shop of Horrors’. I thought he was kidding. He wasn’t.” Seth moved to the Bay Area in 2015 from Lawrence, Kansas. He took piano lessons as a child, and later sang in the civic choir in his home town. He didn’t have traditional voice lessons until he started with Eli. Seth’s mom had played clarinet in high school, so Seth followed suit, but eventually quit band because it conflicted with the Latin class he wanted to take (“I was the wrong kind of nerd for marching band”). Next I talked to Kelvin, one of the newer members of OGMC. “I found my way to OGMC in January 2022, through Seth. I grew up in a family of singers and musicians, and I was interested in singing but not at all confident in my voice. I did take piano. Around 2012 I took my first taiko drumming class and loved it. In 2018, after coming out, I found a group called Queer Taiko which I still perform with periodically ( taikoandcommunity.org/queertaiko ). [Seth says he’s very good.] We do some vocalizing, like shouting words and sounds, and the teacher was very encouraging, so that kind of unlocked my voice finally. Then in 2020, a friend-of-a-friend recommended ‘New Voices.’ I joined on Zoom during lockdown, and it was like part chorus, part support group. When we resumed rehearsing in person, I met Seth. We sat next to each other, and then started carpooling from the East Bay, and… On one of our first dates, Seth was gushing about this other chorus he was in (and on the board of). I was nervous but it sounded super fun and I wanted to finally get into singing. OGMC has been a blast. I feel like I’m finally in the right place at the right time.” About New Voices New Voices Bay Area Trans, Intersex and Gender Queer Chorus will be joining Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus in our April 15 th and 16 th concerts “True Colors”. New Voices Bay Area TIGQ chorus is run like a (free!) tuition class through San Francisco Community Music Center. Here is a little about them, including a socially-distanced recording made for the 2021 Billboard Music Awards: https://ybgfestival.org/event/new-voices-bay-area-tigq-chorus/ They’ve been around since 2018 and sing about 4-5 engagements a year. The chorus is comprised of about 30 men, women and a wide variety of people with non-binary gender identities. Rather than SATB, the voice categories are numbered as 1, 2, 3, 4. Singers are able to move from one part to another as they feel comfortable, and there are often in-between parts, “1.5, 3.5” etc. The director is Reuben Zellman, one of the first openly trans rabbis in the country ( https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_Zellman ). “How did it come to be that we’re singing together?” Seth has been telling each group about the other for a while, trying to be a bridge between the two. Previous director Billy was especially aware of trans issues in the singing community and worked hard to make the chorus a trans-friendly place. When Billy left, Seth made it his job to bridge the two choruses. Brian Tognotti, on the artistic committee of OGMC, asked Seth who to talk to, and Seth got him in touch with Reuben. In our time talking, we discovered that Kelvin’s parents were in The Berkeley Broadway Singers chorus with me many years ago (small world).
March 13, 2023
 By Steve Smith, Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus Board of Directors Frequently the brightest spot in anyone’s day is the person who looks after their hair. In those intimate conversations, we trust that person with news, opinions, and world-problem-solving. During the pandemic, Curtis Marsh became one of those pilgrims who made house calls to keep people presentable, sane, and somewhat connected to other humans. Imagine the brightest of bright spots once a month outside on the little deck at my place! We sang together in the Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus, which gives voice through song to a community where everyone matters. When Curtis joined in 2019, we had just been invited to work with the Oakland Symphony Chorus to perform Beethoven pieces with Emmanuel Ax under Michael Morgan’s direction. As an accomplished Tenor, Curtis was thrilled with the opportunity and plunged into performance mode. An amazingly rewarding cooperative experience was the result. Curtis was born to perform and to delight audiences. He brought style and verve to every event, large and small. While everyone was scrambling to make things work during the pandemic, Curtis was one of our group of 70 or so who could not safely sing inside with large groups of people, so he and I kept up through the monthly haircut housecalls. A favorite set of conversations about travel and keeping in touch with friends and family despite every obstacle were Curtis’ grand plans for his High School Reunion to be held this past summer back in Iowa. Although some classmates apparently proposed a fairly modest one-evening event, Curtis was determined to expand the scope and see to it that a 3-day party was in order. Sending wigs and gowns ahead, Curtis arranged an evening for all at Roederer’s Pit Stop in Burlington IA. I can only imagine the sheer delight he created for all those folks he used to know. His murder Saturday is all about shock and horror. How much hate can there be lurking in the soul of some other person in a sweet Oakland neighborhood where Curtis had lived among friends for 15 years? The life force of this man was a gift deserving love, gratitude, and applause. We salute Curtis and will rely upon law enforcement in Oakland to apprehend his killer and to prevent that evil from continuing in our community. With love from the Oakland Gay Men’s Chorus.
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